453: ‘What’s in Louie’s Wallet’, With Louie Mantia

Hosted byJohn Gruber

Louie Mantia returns to the show to talk about the state of UI and icon design on Apple's platforms, and some speculation on Apple's trade secret lawsuit against OpenAI.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• Louie on the squircle: “The Shape of Apps”.
• Me, linking to Louie on the squircle.
• Louie on Alan Dye: “A Responsibility to the Industry”.
• Me: “Bad Dye Job”.
• Me, after WWDC 2025, comparing Dye’s introduction of Liquid Glass to Steve Jobs’s introduction of Aqua back in January 2000.
• UI designer Chan Karunamuni’s tweet on Steve Lemay: “Steve’s been my manager for my entire 15 year career so far at Apple and I could not be more excited for this new era.”.
• Karunamuni’s Twitter/X account, with links regarding Liquid Glass, the Dynamic Island, and the cool Flashlight beam UI.
• Louie on The Talk Show last year.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.